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Title: Interesting thread on Eham.
Post by: gil on September 08, 2013, 01:26:35 PM
http://www.eham.net/ehamforum/smf/index.php/topic,87100.0.html (http://www.eham.net/ehamforum/smf/index.php/topic,87100.0.html)

Gil.
Title: Re: Interesting thread on Eham.
Post by: Archangel320420 on September 08, 2013, 01:45:11 PM
I like that one guy's comment of having some brains frozen and then if you have to go outside you can dangle some on a rope, but where do you get the brains from?
Title: Re: Interesting thread on Eham.
Post by: KK0G on September 08, 2013, 02:36:03 PM
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Title: Re: Interesting thread on Eham.
Post by: RadioRay on September 08, 2013, 03:11:35 PM
Because these theoretical Zombies live by eating brains, I would only need to hold out  few weeksn then air drop into a DZ in Washington DC where Zombies would have starved to death for lack of brains in the many politicians.

de RadioRay
Title: Re: Interesting thread on Eham.
Post by: gil on September 08, 2013, 03:12:30 PM
LOL Ray, that was GREAT!

Gil.
Title: Re: Interesting thread on Eham.
Post by: KC9TNH on September 08, 2013, 04:06:11 PM
Quote from: RadioRay on September 08, 2013, 03:11:35 PM
Because these theoretical Zombies live by eating brains, I would only need to hold out  few weeks them air drop into a DZ in Washington DC, where Zombies would have starved do death for lack of brains in the many politicians.

de RadioRay
Does that mean Henry Fonda can give the order to nuke DC as a "Fail Safe" measure?
Always enjoyed that movie.
Title: Re: Interesting thread on Eham.
Post by: gil on September 08, 2013, 04:20:53 PM
QuoteDoes that mean Henry Fonda can give the order to nuke DC as a "Fail Safe" measure?

Please refresh my failing memory...

Gil.
Title: Re: Interesting thread on Eham.
Post by: KC9TNH on September 08, 2013, 04:59:02 PM
Quote from: gil on September 08, 2013, 04:20:53 PM
QuoteDoes that mean Henry Fonda can give the order to nuke DC as a "Fail Safe" measure?

Please refresh my failing memory...

Gil.
Erroneous strike order issued; "Fail Safe" contingencies do their job and US bombers do not allow themselves to be recalled, even while POTUS & all SAC generals attempt to do so, even compromising our own a/c's countermeasures to help facilitate Soviet shoot-downs as they penetrate.  But one gets through; Moscow is nuked.  The president then, to avoid full-scale global holocaust, offers NYC  to Soviets as eye-for-eye sacrificial lamb, which the Big Bear takes him up on (and knowing the First Lady is currently visiting there too).
Title: Re: Interesting thread on Eham.
Post by: Archangel320420 on September 08, 2013, 05:07:08 PM
"Fail Safe"  A classic Cold War picture and a must see. Also see "Dr. Strangelove"  :)
Title: Re: Interesting thread on Eham.
Post by: gil on September 08, 2013, 05:15:47 PM
Ah, I have seen Dr Strangelove, and will definitely check out Fail Safe! Thanks.
Good movies to watch in light of current events..  :o

Gil.
Title: Re: Interesting thread on Eham.
Post by: KC9TNH on September 08, 2013, 05:53:32 PM
Quote from: Archangel320420 on September 08, 2013, 05:07:08 PM
"Fail Safe"  A classic Cold War picture and a must see. Also see "Dr. Strangelove"  :)
Yup, Revell & Monogram made sales of a B-58 Hustler kit or two 'cause of that movie.
Title: Re: Interesting thread on Eham.
Post by: KC3AOL on September 08, 2013, 06:35:02 PM
Quote from: gil on September 08, 2013, 01:26:35 PM
http://www.eham.net/ehamforum/smf/index.php/topic,87100.0.html (http://www.eham.net/ehamforum/smf/index.php/topic,87100.0.html)

Gil.
Saw your post about the MTR radio. Looks really interesting and I joined the Yahoo group so I can try to snag one next time they are available.

Sent from my Transformer Prime TF201 using Tapatalk 4
Title: Re: Interesting thread on Eham.
Post by: gil on September 08, 2013, 06:37:32 PM
QuoteLooks really interesting and I joined the Yahoo group so I can try to snag one next time they are available.

Great. I can tell you to be ready early mornings after a tentative date has been announced. They go VERY FAST!

Gil.
Title: Re: Interesting thread on Eham.
Post by: WA4STO on September 08, 2013, 07:00:50 PM
Ah, "Fail Safe" - 1964

I wonder how much that movie affected my life.

See, the real hero in that movie was the Russian linguist who struggled with getting the nuances right during the tense discussions between the two Presidents.

Two years later, as a 17 year old Russian intercept op, I was asked if I wanted to switch to linguistics, rather than Cyrillic Morse, which I did.

Maybe there are some co-inky-dinks in life.  Or not.

73

Luck, WA4STO
Title: Re: Interesting thread on Eham.
Post by: RadioRay on September 08, 2013, 08:31:52 PM
Having grown up - or at least aged - on a SAC base during the Cuban missile crisis and etc.  I was used to B-52's taking off en masse, at all hours and watching with glee as plates hung on walls , pictures and virtually anything not glued in places shook and fell to the floor. For a five year old, it was great entertainment.  For my Mum, it meant pointed orders issued to my Dad that  'You WILL get us a place to live which is NOT at the end of the runway, or I am leaving'.  My guess is that the rent for that place was cheap for a reason. I loved looking down the noses of a flight of B-52's made a massed take-off straight toward the dinning room window!  IT was the first time in my short like that I realized that you can FEEL sound in your lungs, if it's LOUD and low enough in pitch!

As for later in life, we did our best to not make any noise in our many encounters with the Soviets and those they stepped on.  Our #1 phrase, though never used , was

Не стріляйте. Я знаю, секрети!


Do Not Shoot. I know SECRETS!   

It was an inside joke, because it was also quite clear that incase of an over-run of our positions, we should ensure that we kill as many of them as possible before we kill ourselves.  You do NOT want to be an enemy intel operator in the hands of the Soviet Union. Fortunately, it never came to that, and as predicted The Communists (tm) came not out of the skies in parachutes, but by limo from Washington DC.

Cicero was quite correct:

"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague."


de RadioRay ..._ ._
Title: Re: Interesting thread on Eham.
Post by: RichardSinFWTX on September 08, 2013, 09:23:53 PM
Hey RadioRay! 

I'm an ex-intel puke too!  I was in Germany during REFORGER '90 and saw a news story on AFN (Armed Forces Network for those who were wondering) where they were doing a story on the "Unsung Heroes of REFORGER".  They did a story on one of the ESM teams.  I almost had a coronary when they showed the inside of a TRQ-32V2 mobile receiver DF system, the exact same system I was serving on at the time.  Then the part that REALLY blew my mind, "...and here's some live intercept coming from somewhere in East Germany!" A LOT of heads rolled over that one!

Title: Re: Interesting thread on Eham.
Post by: Archangel320420 on September 08, 2013, 09:31:50 PM
I was a navy spook 68-71. Nice to see you fellow perverts on here.
Title: Re: Interesting thread on Eham.
Post by: RichardSinFWTX on September 08, 2013, 10:11:18 PM
Funny you should mention "pervs"...one of the more "interesting" things that happened in my unit during Desert Shield / Desert Storm was when we recorded a 45 minute obscene phone made to the AT&T phone center in Rhiyadh Saudi Arabia from Georgia (the state not the country).  When we got ready to head back to Germany after the war we had to do a system check of our jammer before loading it on the ship.  We tuned into the freq the that AFN was broadcasting on and jammed it with that phone call!  :)

Ahhhh...to be young again!  :)


Title: Re: Interesting thread on Eham.
Post by: Archangel320420 on September 08, 2013, 10:38:54 PM
The statute of limitations is up now. While at "A" school in Pensacola, the only break and sleep time for us was on Sunday mornings. Some officers decided to fly R/C airplanes at that time often buzzing the enlisted barracks. When we complained through the chain of command the word came down to us "Tuff Poop". So one Sunday some of us went over to the base radio club station WA4ECY. We found their R/C frequencies and put a fat carrier on those freqs and crashed every one into the ground. They never came back. Victory is very satisfying. I think jaming AFN would have been very exciting. Lesson for officers. Not wise to mess with spooks.
Title: Re: Interesting thread on Eham.
Post by: RichardSinFWTX on September 08, 2013, 10:51:22 PM
Nice!!  :)
Title: Re: Interesting thread on Eham.
Post by: gil on September 08, 2013, 10:57:41 PM
Now you guys make me wonder if I missed my calling, LOL.

Gil.
Title: Re: Interesting thread on Eham.
Post by: RichardSinFWTX on September 08, 2013, 11:00:45 PM
On the day East and West Germany got back together I was up on the border at a facility that was so close that on a clear morning you could look across the valley and watch the EAST GERMAN border guards walking their german shepherds along the fenceline.

Title: Re: Interesting thread on Eham.
Post by: Archangel320420 on September 08, 2013, 11:15:50 PM
One quick thing, RHI. My daughter was in ASA and was in Berlin during the wall coming down. She related stories about being in those mobile huts along the border. She tells me often that I am a very strange person and she found all ditty boopers in Collection/and or/DF to be. We are all a strange bunch according to her and pretty much a gross bunch of animals. She did not think it mattered if they were Navy, Army, or Air Force. Ha! Cracks me up. Berlin must have had a combined service post.
Title: Re: Interesting thread on Eham.
Post by: RadioRay on September 08, 2013, 11:30:38 PM
Old Spooks Club -

Too Cool.  Great to talk with you guys.  Yeah - we had operations but we sometimes billeted (if single) in barracks near 'real' Armymen...  you know. They had some tension with us - because they had no idea who or what we were - but that WE had women and slept all day.   We'd be trying to sleep after a long series of missions and these guys would run by in formation, round the corner by their little castle (they were Combat Engineers) , "WAKE_UP!  WAKE_UP  WAKE_UP!  WAKE_UP!". all smiling and giggling like Mommy just gave'em a pudding cup or something.  Well - never, EVER poke a stick at a sleep deprived, highly trained, semi-criminal, who was selected for intelligence work ...

One of our guys was an ex-LRRP - VERY large knowledge in 'anti-social skills' which appeared to be learned hands-on.  We mounted a classic 'guerrilla' ambush to quell their zeal.  Using a .22 caliber Benjamin air pistol, tape and card board this fellow made an EXCELLENT suppressed weapon with excellent accuracy.  Shot, re-zeroed and then implemented.  It was warm, so many windows were open.  The shooter (usually him)  is three stories above the 'targets' & would have the windows (German double windows) opened two-three fingers, be back away from the Window, standing on a table with no internal lights - so the shooter's window would look VERY normal that time of morning. As you know, a key principle in 'guerrilla warfare' is decapitation of command structure and destruction of the enemy's will to fight.  Both were centered in their junior officers and jr. NCO's who led the morning runs. 

So, As their company made it's run and began it's WAKE_UP!  WAKE_UP  WAKE_UP!  WAKE_UP! laughing and joking, 'mosquitoes' began to bite their LT and platoon leaders from high and behind.  Naturally, they would not stop the formation, so we'd had time to change position and maintain sufficient rate of fire to make their morning run VERY uncomfortable , yet only a shot or two at a time from any one position and ALWAYS well back in the room so as not to be seen like a Hollywood sniper.  The first ambush was the most fun, the second, they got quiet and we stopped shooting.  The Third run I think there was ONE loudmouth and so we shot the guy NEXT to him. THAT shut the big mouth up... After that, they heard from our Co. (who is a Major, not a Captain) that he appreciated their newly acquired respect for our chaotic night schedule.  I presume that HE put 2+2 together and gave them an easy out of just promising to not be a menace.  I cannot now remember whether that was before or AFTER someone burned and blew-up their 'castle'. moo-ha-ha-ha!

We did NOT have all those Security Clearances because we were necessarily 'Saints'.  We had them because we were never actually convicted...

---- then there is that poor guy who is probably still deaf after we exploded a box of black powder under him in the stall...  He woke us up too....


de RadioRay ..._ ._
Title: Re: Interesting thread on Eham.
Post by: Archangel320420 on September 08, 2013, 11:42:06 PM
You guys could'a put an eye out.
Title: Re: Interesting thread on Eham.
Post by: RadioRay on September 09, 2013, 12:01:45 AM
"...and here's some live intercept coming from somewhere in East Germany!"  - Oooooooh, THAT is never done.  Yes, I would imagine that the axe was bloody and dull by the time that was finished.  We had a Colonel do something similar, trying to enhance his career.  It did not go well for him after Big Daddy got our report.

I'm still laughing about you guys mounting an EW attack against the officer's R/C airplanes in retaliation for them messing with your time-off. That seems entirely just.

Using that Sand-Box Booty Call recording for jammer sound track - brilliant!  Speaking of Reforger, there was a rumor of one "J" guy jammer who used to sign on and announce 'This IS The Voice of Radio Free Uzbekistan!" and then hammer away in Acid Rock on patrol freqs.  Rumor has it that he was DF'd, captured and forced to play Country Music on a specific frequency for the rest of the exercise. 

---

There are SOOOOOO many stories (some are even true) that could be told...
Title: Re: Interesting thread on Eham.
Post by: KK0G on September 09, 2013, 12:09:35 AM
Keep going guys, this is good stuff. By my count I think we're up to around 5 or 6 felonies............ I sure hope the statute of limitations is up 8)
Title: Re: Interesting thread on Eham.
Post by: RichardSinFWTX on September 09, 2013, 08:37:15 AM
Quote from: Archangel320420 on September 08, 2013, 11:15:50 PM
One quick thing, RHI. My daughter was in ASA and was in Berlin during the wall coming down. She related stories about being in those mobile huts along the border. She tells me often that I am a very strange person and she found all ditty boopers in Collection/and or/DF to be. We are all a strange bunch according to her and pretty much a gross bunch of animals. She did not think it mattered if they were Navy, Army, or Air Force. Ha! Cracks me up. Berlin must have had a combined service post.

Hmm...sounds like she and I have seen some of the same places!  I had 6 or 8 women in my class at intel school that all got Berlin while us boys all went to tactical units.  I landed in Stuttgart Germany on January 3, 1990.

We teased the "girls" telling them their first detail was going to be to repaint the bullseyes on the rooves of the bunkers for the Russian artillery spotters!  Almost had one of them in tears!

Title: Re: Interesting thread on Eham.
Post by: Archangel320420 on September 09, 2013, 11:01:15 AM
Sgt Theresa Dawson
Title: Re: Interesting thread on Eham.
Post by: RichardSinFWTX on September 09, 2013, 11:08:11 AM
Sorry, the name doesn't ring a bell; but if she was a Sergeant back then she wouldn't have been hangin' out with us lowly PFCs either.
Title: Re: Interesting thread on Eham.
Post by: Archangel320420 on September 09, 2013, 11:16:00 AM
She spoke russian, KF5. She is a good girl. She still speaks well of the Army for the most part and I see her still thinking and talking like a soldier though years after her seperation.
Title: Re: Interesting thread on Eham.
Post by: RichardSinFWTX on September 09, 2013, 11:24:59 AM
My team leader in Germany was a Russian linguist.  That's what I wanted too; but the Army in it's infinite wisdom gave me German.  I can still speak it reasonably well.  I was down in Dealey Plaza in Dallas about a year ago and help some German tourists get where they needed to go while my stunned in-laws sat back in awe.  :)

All things considered, I thoroughly enjoyed my active duty time.  I loved going to the field.  Out of an 8 week span 6 of it would be out at Hohenfels, Grafenwoehr or doing border ops, 1 week was spent "recovering" and the last week getting ready to go back out.

When I went out to Field Day this year my wife asked me, "Aren't you going to take a change of clothes?"  I told her, "I'm only going out for the weekend!"  When we started moving forward in the Sand Box I wore the same uniform for 6 weeks so a weekend n a tent is nothing!

Title: Re: Interesting thread on Eham.
Post by: Archangel320420 on September 09, 2013, 11:34:43 AM
FD is a pc of cake compared to military ops.
Title: Re: Interesting thread on Eham.
Post by: RichardSinFWTX on September 09, 2013, 11:44:07 AM
Yeah, I was truly amazed at the amount of junk people brought out to the site.  It's like they tried to pack up their entire house.  I had my weapons bag that holds my tent, a sleeping bag and my backpack radio...and an Igloo cooler full of water because it was about 100 degrees outside!

Title: Re: Interesting thread on Eham.
Post by: KK0G on September 09, 2013, 12:20:37 PM

Quote from: KF5RHI on September 09, 2013, 11:44:07 AM
Yeah, I was truly amazed at the amount of junk people brought out to the site.  It's like they tried to pack up their entire house.  I had my weapons bag that holds my tent, a sleeping bag and my backpack radio...and an Igloo cooler full of water because it was about 100 degrees outside!

Some folks idea of "camping" is radically different than mine. I have several friends with large RV's, when they tell me they're going "camping" at the lake this weekend what I hear in my mind is that they're going to move the miniature version of their air conditioned house to a location different than their driveway and live there for a few days LOL. To each their own.
Title: Re: Interesting thread on Eham.
Post by: RichardSinFWTX on September 09, 2013, 12:37:35 PM
Yeah, my wife's idea of roughing it is having to use the regular DVD player and not the BlueRay!   ;D
Title: Re: Interesting thread on Eham.
Post by: gil on September 09, 2013, 01:26:10 PM
I know a Blue-Ray on contest week-ends; blue in the face!  ;D

Gil.
Title: Re: Interesting thread on Eham.
Post by: WA4STO on September 09, 2013, 02:21:04 PM
Quote from: Archangel320420 on September 08, 2013, 10:38:54 PMWhile at "A" school in Pensacola,

Aha!  What year were you at Correy Field?  Me, it was '66

I never made it over to WA4ECY, mostly because I spent most of time at the Slot car track.  It dawned on me, after taking a miserable train ride all the way from P'cola to Beantown (home), that I could take my model cars (1/25th scale) and plop them down on slot car chassis and have a ball.

Couple years later, I found myself stationed at NSA and trying to figure out how somebody managed to string up a dipole between the two buildings of the barracks, what with it being SO close to you-know-where.  In later life, I wondered how many lists I was on all those years ago...

73

Luck, WA4STO
Title: Re: Interesting thread on Eham.
Post by: Archangel320420 on September 09, 2013, 03:46:56 PM
I was delayed enlistment Feb 1968. When I got out of NTC Great lakes it was ummm  August 68 I think. So Pensacola was August, did not get my clearance right away and never did hear what went wrong with that, so my class went on to duty stations while I remained at NTTC Corry for my clearance. Through the winter into 1969 I was a main gate guard and shore patrol. My first duty station was Edzell, Scotland, TAD trips to Rota, Med cruises, Black Sea, and once got assigned to a submarine but the mission was cancelled prior to my orders being finalized. I then went to Alaska. All collection except for Alaska where I was in a DF net. 1966 was the old navy with wooden boats and iron men! haha  By the way, most of barracks at Corry in 1968 were named after those killed aboard the U.S.S Liberty. I worked a W1 a few months ago. He was CT and POW from U.S.S. Pueblo. He and the other crew want the US to take the ship back or sink it were it is now in North Korea on public display. I think that is a worthy endeavor. I say sink her and give her a correct end. Interesting people you find on amateur radio. We used Destroyers not Liberty ship after the Pueblo. No one messed with us much. Two destroyers one with CTs aboard.
Title: Re: Interesting thread on Eham.
Post by: RadioRay on September 09, 2013, 05:26:20 PM
The Liberty - Gee , I wonder why no Hollywood movie about that back stabbing attack on a U.S vessel in the Med by "our best friend in the region"? Despite all knowledge that this was a U.S. (friendly) ship including the huge parade flag draped out for the Israeli aircraft to see to stop their attack and intercepted radio traffic confirming that the pilots saw the US Flag on their many strafing runs and asked for guidance (HQ said to sink her regardless). The aircraft and torpedo boats machine gunning lifeboats and etc. is a war crime - yet, never given for an international court to decide.  Could there be a conflict of interests? Due to the 'failure' to send her to the bottom with no survivors, there was still the '67 war right after this savage attack, but LBJ did not have his excuse to go to war in the middle east, because the ship did not sink and soon drew attention.  I've listened to some interviews with survivors who -when asked why they didn't come forward - said: "They brought us in and told us - 'if you EVER say ANYTHING, we will kill YOU and kill your FAMILIES." Considering how many Kennedy assassination >witness< died when they came forward with testimony different from the established line, I'd tend to believe this could be true. .

Hmmmm, when did LBJ's "escalation" in South East Asia occur? Evidently, there had to be at least a certain level of carnage in the world, or someone becomes hungry. Evidently there really ARE 'zombies' in Washington DC!   :o

// Other then that, I have no strong opinion. //

de RadioRay ..._ ._

Ps. Then there are the 'bag boy' at my Dad's PX - a survivor of the Bataan Death March and Korean War ; bagging groceries to feed his family after being laid-off in the FIRST string of civil service employees because he was a "retired" veteran.  Not being able to collect retirement yet, did not matter.  Union rules, biased against vets. I still remember what he said as we left:

"Another 'Thanks!' from a grateful government."
Title: Re: Interesting thread on Eham.
Post by: WA4STO on September 09, 2013, 05:54:41 PM
Quote from: RadioRay on September 09, 2013, 05:26:20 PM"They brought us in and told us - 'if you EVER say ANYTHING, we will kill YOU and kill your FAMILIES."

Yup.  I often wondered if it was just teenaged memories from back then or if it was true that, of the three military security groups, the Naval Security Group was -- by far -- the most fear-mongering toward their members. 

When I first got to NSA, I was all worried about what kind of horrific stuff I was going to be subjected to.  Turned out that it was nothing like what the NSG put me through prior to that. 

Heck, they didn't even put us through polygraphs like they did with the civilians.  'Course, they surely learned their stupid little lesson there in the aftermath of the Walker family give-aways.  Or was that "sell-aways" ? 

Hey, there was one good thing that came of my time as a radio snoop.  I was so frustrated at not being able to talk back to the folks I was listening in on, that it took me like a week after I got out before I went and passed my Novice test.  Heh.

73

LH
Title: Re: Interesting thread on Eham.
Post by: Archangel320420 on September 09, 2013, 06:21:03 PM
Yes, Ray. I heard about the Isreali attack aircraft. The flight leader called off the first attack and radio'd that the ship was US. He wanted his orders confirmed. He was then ordered to continue the attack. It is very puzzeling to me.

Similarly, The Pueblo was in international waters unescorted, but the US could have quickly dispatched aircraft there from Japan and Korea. There was an aircraft carrier within a couple hundred miles to boot. I mean, why wasn't that done. The Pueblo was under attack for a couple of hours. Everyone knew they were under attack. These things just do not make sense. Why wasn't a destroyer called in to take the ship back before the bandit pirates from North Korean got it to port? It is all just goofy plain and simple.

Well anyway, I was with a squadron of destroyers and if they pulled that on us, they would at least get a bloody nose. We never got harassed. The then Soviet Navy would shine spot lights on us at night and try to play electronic tricks on us, even buzz us with aircraft, but that was about it. I like the russian navy. I think they are, or were, a pretty good bunch, but you know,  the games we all had to play at that time.

Veterans can take heart that they did the best they could for the Country and the service they were assigned. They represented the USA all over the world and I think made a difference. I don't care what the stupid politicans think of me or any other vet. As a Legion member I try to keep the politicians feet to the fire for wounded and disabled vets.

Now lookat what is going on, Ray. The pres has got the Navy in a fix off the coast of Syria. Holy smokes. The Russians have a surface fleet and subs there now and now China is sending some ships. Russia has one active duty aircraft carrier in the Black Sea fleet and China has one Russian built carrier probably both on the way to the Med. Russia does not have to even have a carrier in the med. they are within a short driving distance from land bses in Russia for their naval air forces and the regular air forces. I sure don't want this to get started!

Well anyway. I guess we should get back to radio, eh?  73
Title: Re: Interesting thread on Eham.
Post by: Archangel320420 on September 09, 2013, 06:38:49 PM
One last thing. I once heard a shore Soviet naval radio station swoop up the frequency no doubt using some kind of auto antenna tuner and I followed his swoop up the band from 12 Mhz and we ended up up on 14 Mhz calling CQ with a russian ham callsing !!! It was the same station I heard with the military callsign. I DF'd the bugger and recognized his fist.

I always wondered why those russian hams had such powerful signals in the 1960's. He no doubt was running 50 KW. But they were sure great CW ops! I only caught one station doing that so it might not have been an everyday occurence. I'm just saying  :)
Title: Re: Interesting thread on Eham.
Post by: RadioRay on September 10, 2013, 01:18:22 AM
Yes - East bloc ops in general were good - if you could get the 'accent' of their staccato code.  I could spot them and anyone they trained by the eastern block fist.  You know the sound - a talented pianist, sending high speed Morse messages in Russian, using a steam powered jack hammer for a key. 

It was amazing to shout

OP: "He's UP! It's my guy , the XXXXXXXXX who we lost when they changed their rota. He's back and hammering away."
TA:  Don't F-up his freq change!
OP:  Hey, you're the @%$@%@ who missed the ROTA change - right?
TA: Ohhhh! #^@#^@ you!
OP: You sound just like your baby sister - and I should know!!! ha ha ha
... and it would all be raging while copying high speed traffic - while simultaneously sipping a grape soda (high sugar) , some guys smoking those awful "Partizanka" Russian cigarettes, jammed into a metal can somewhere in the city of Berlin. It could be freezing outside and it would still be hot in there, due to all the equipment in a confined space.

-...-

You are SO right about the NSG guys needing to enjoy the 'interaction' a little more.   We had some on TDY up at the Field Station to bring them up to speed on some of the stuff were pulling out of the ocean way north of us and transition it to them. You know those guys never laughed, joked, threw things or set each other on fire while working?  What kind of Intelligence operator is that?  We loosened them a little & probably ruined their careers.

By the second enlistment I learned one thing - never, ever trust a politician, regardless of pay grade.  We care of ourselves or we're gone.
// I originally wrote more, but decided to sanitize my post. Erase & Forget //


>de RadioRay ..._ ._
Title: Re: Interesting thread on Eham.
Post by: Archangel320420 on September 10, 2013, 01:51:54 AM
Awww Ray, we played those games at least we did in the UK. Set fire to the paper in the mills. Rubbed carbon on earphones. Put sharp objects on guy's chair while he was changing paper or changing frequenies. Walk by and smack a guy in the upper arm and say "You flinched." Send bogus CW transmissions to a FNG at his position. Punch holes in a guys cigarettes. Punch holes in paper coffee cups. Tighten the lock on an R-390 and spin the dial and see how the guy at that position explained the damage to the Maintenance tech! <~~ Bad scene usually. Yeah You name it, if it made a guy uncomfortable or nervous we did it. It was the only mental thearpy we had other than alcohol. I think I would have felt right at home with you guys, Ray. We got the job done though. We sent a number of Marines to Germany to train in the mobiles along the border with Army. They were also what we called R branchers or mostly Cyrillic intercept ops. I worked in a marine section for a long time they did not have enough people. Lone sailor! They adopted me and let me march with them and that is how I learned some things about ALICE and weapons and such. I was sort of their mascot. They called me a corpsman but I was only a spook. If any of the locals asked, I was to say I was corpsman.  We only had about a platoon of marines at that base and they were all CW ops. But they had to train as grunts also. I felt I should be with em. It's not just a job, it's an adventure.
Title: Re: Interesting thread on Eham.
Post by: gil on September 10, 2013, 01:56:34 AM
I've never been in the military, but a good joke in electronics school was to take a ceramic capacitor, plug it in the wall socket, then leave it in plain sight on a lab table... Hehehe...

Gil.
Title: Re: Interesting thread on Eham.
Post by: Archangel320420 on September 10, 2013, 02:18:57 AM
p.s.  I discovered and had my first Doctor Pepper at the operations building in Scotland. Pepper was new then I think. I had never had one before this. It was either a cup of coffee or a can of Pepper always in my hand from then on. I think I ruined my taste buds on that drink. I don't like it or any soft drinks now. Ithink it turned the tongue purple or blue. I also learned how and what a microwave oven was. I had NO idea how to use it until Gunny came and pushed the buttons. It did not warm up the food at all otherwise, I had just turned the timer on but did not push any button to start. Microwave cooking in 1970. Imagine that! Who ever heard of such a thing?
Title: Re: Interesting thread on Eham.
Post by: Archangel320420 on September 10, 2013, 02:20:43 AM
Your a monster, Gil.  ouch
Title: Re: Interesting thread on Eham.
Post by: RadioRay on September 10, 2013, 03:16:23 AM
Hey ArcAngel -

That's good to know.  The fine art of 'lighting-up' a fellow op - or a visiting field grade officer on occasion, really needed to be seen to be appreciated, so because you've been there & done THAT, let me share for those who haven't.

We put all intercepts onto a 'MILL or a KSR/ASR  - think BIG type writers. The copy paper in there was 6,9,12 ply mill paper had that amazingly thin carbon paper in it, so a hook on 6 feet of that into a guys belt loop as he walked by and then lite the end.  Ha!  What a way to raise kids. Good to know that CT's could share in the fun too.  Maybe these guys were just shy.

Send bogus CW transmissions to a FNG at his position.


Ha! You did this stuff too?  One of the places I worked was entirely in it's own can, so we were isolated even from the inner field station. I found remnants of an old intercom system for the ops headsets .... . long story short and right after a standard short tranining on what to do if we come across an "SOS", a few hours from the end of shift change, Debbie Dawgs - the braaaaand new fem-op got this message. Man - when it got through to her what she heard, her training kicked in and she was ON IT!  I was sending it, which she did not know and by watching her from across the room and behind two racks, I metered my speed that she could not lift a hand to wave for the trick chief, no-yell, because she'd miss a dit or two from the noise... I was using my own receiver for the audio 'signal' and varied my BFO pitch to make her occasionally chase the drifting signal with one hand and the other now over tasked for a new OP...

SOS    SOS    SOS   DE USS CORTINA.   
SOS    SOS    SOS   DE USS CORTINA.
SOS    SOS    SOS   DE USS CORTINA.
WE ARE TAKING ON WATER AT LAT xxxxxx  LONG xxxxxxx
REQUIRE IMMEDIATE ASSISTANCE


>>> REPEATED<<< BY NOW THE TRICK CHIEF WAS PLUGGED IN AND READING, THEN GLANCED BACK AT ME ON MY df POSITION 'IN THE BACK' , MY HEAD OVER THE RACK WITH 'That Smile'.  He knew this should not linger, but we still had some time.


SOS    SOS    SOS   DE USS CORTINA. ...
WE ARE TAKING ON WATER AT LAT xxxxxx  LONG xxxxxxx   

(The map on the wall showed this to be RIGHT in the middle of the USSR landmass.  - har har)
U R A  FISH    U R A FISH   
(A 'fish' is someone we hooked', but she was such a reflex copy OP that she was not even reading the text she was typing.)
//finally - more slowly so that she'd wonder at the break in cadence: //

D E B B I E    D A W G S     I S  A   FISH BT  LOOK BEHIND YOU.

(IT WAS NOT A 'NICE' LOOK)

She took it well - great gal and a superb 05H.  We gave her a break to relax a few minutes (and to kill me) and gave her time to grow into the subsystem (our group).


A zillion dollars of gear, years of massed training of 'the brightest minds' (?!)  and this is what the tax payers received... Oh, and we do some important stuff too - YOU know the drill.


de RadioRay ..._ ._
Title: Re: Interesting thread on Eham.
Post by: Geek on September 10, 2013, 03:44:47 AM
This thread is great.  Not only am I no longer concerned with communications during the zombie apocalypse, but I am no longer worried about the NSA reading my email.  They may have my email, but they are using it to set each other on fire instead of reading it.  :-)
Title: Re: Interesting thread on Eham.h
Post by: RichardSinFWTX on September 10, 2013, 08:38:35 AM
Yeah, funny thing about the NSA..They've been able to read everyone's email for YEARS.  It only recently became a news story.

When I was overseas I used to see these PSAs talking about OpSec where everyone was sayings"Hello Ivan" or "Hello Boris" to let you know that the Russians were listening.

These days I've got a few friends who are vets as well and we through out a random "F*** DIRNSA" every now and then.  For those who don't know, that's Director - NSA.  A three or four star officer who runs it.

I'm probably on more than one No-Fly list!!  :)
Title: Re: Interesting thread on Eham.
Post by: WA4STO on September 10, 2013, 12:44:55 PM
Quote from: RadioRay on September 10, 2013, 03:16:23 AM

We put all intercepts onto a 'MILL or a KSR/ASR  - think BIG type writers.

This is a KSR:

(http://www.hurderconsulting.net/radiostuff/28ksr2.jpg)

Notice the lack of tape gear.  Tape was the 1960s version of 'memory'.

And here's an "ASR"

(http://www.hurderconsulting.net/radiostuff/m28.jpg)

One of the funnest (and stupidest) things I ever did was in 1969 at NSA, in the dead of night at 4am, I found myself in a huge room, just FULL of the ASRs, humming away.  They were not labelled so there was no way to tell who was on the other end.

So I merrily chose a number of different machines at random, furiously typed something like "Greetings from the mother ship at Fort Meade" and rolled the chair on to the next machine, and watched the door very cautiously for what I was hoping were very much asleep Marine guards.

A few guys would type back and for some reason, they'd never divulge where they were.  Gee, imagine that.

Fun times.

73

LH
Title: Re: Interesting thread on Eham.
Post by: Archangel320420 on September 10, 2013, 01:19:18 PM
We were just kids. Thank God for the NCOs who watched over us and treated us as their children. Thus ends my participation in this fun thread.