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I have started a new thread on this discussion to keep the Welcome Thread more on-topic for Welcoming new members.
Below I've re-stated some information from the other thread so everyone can easily read what it is I'm trying to achieve here. I've already had some great replies in the other thread for which I am thankful. I've quoted some replies below from the other thread to which have also written a reply - in this thread to keep the other one clean.

A close friend recently started prepping as well and I want to establish a (for HF) rather short-range method of communication. The ranges to think of are 15 or 20 to 75 miles. I'm having the hardest time with finding the right band & time that would provide the highest reliability for daily NVIS communication, all-year and preferably solar cycle round. In the Welcome Thread it was established that the 80m band is the most reliable in a low solar cycle during the day, like we are in now, with 80m being suitable for high solar cycles at midnight. 40 meter would be best during high solar cycles during the day. If I got any of this wrong - please correct me

Commsguy - VOACAP is correct - in winter months during lows in the solar cycle (like now) 80M generally becomes a DX band after dark.

I strongly advise you to regularly check live foF2 readings in your region - it's the magic critical frequency:

If I could give one other piece of advice: in the time I've been licensed, I've learned there is no single magic band that's always reliable - so frequency agility is a must.

Whether it was sunspots, or Sporadic E's.... being able to switch bands made communications possible.
As for VOACAP, link probability drops like a brick just after sundown on 80 meters in the winter, only coming back a few hours later at 2300h for the short-distance link. Is that because of 80m opening for DX after sundown? What makes it come back for NVIS at 2300?
I'm well in the know about the critical frequency for NVIS, foF2, it's one of the first things I learned about when starting to looking into NVIS. That's also why I've been looking at the Dourbes Ionogram every day for the last 6 months or so.
I hardly have seen the critical frequency (foF2) above 60 meters, which caused my confusion with so many people and 'research papers' praising 40m for NVIS.

As stated above, opting for frequency agility would be the best solution to most problems, but it would also require more knowledge and equipment to achieve both 40 and 80 meter band capability.

For me personally the more required knowledge and hardware wouldn't be a problem since I am the commsguy in our small prepping group, and I have a nice multi-band rig myself already. I'm looking for a cheap solution to equip someone else, preferably for around 100-150 euros total so that two-way communication can take place. For one-way communications a shortwave receiver like the GP-5/SSB would be a great fit since it covers all bands and then some, but I'm mostly looking for two-way communications in that price range.

As for a transceiver I've been looking at the QRP-Labs 5W CW transceiver kit. The reason that radio has the most interest from me is because of it's low price but much better quality than something like a Rockmite or Pixie. It is however monoband and would require some modding to be able to switch a band pass filter and low pass filter to get both 80 and 40 meter. A ready made multi-band QRP transceiver could also be the chinese X1M Pro QRP transceiver, which is around 250 euros. Such price increase doesn't currently fit the budget, also taking in to account that other accessories needs to be bought such as batteries and coax.

I can't find the context of the original quoted question:

"What would be the most reliable time of day to establish an communication on 80m? Early Morning, Noon, afternoon or at night/midnight?" but the answer depends on the location you are in the world, and the location of the other station! Is it 10,000km away or 10km or 100 or 1000? 80m generally speaking offers only local contacts up to a few hundred km during the day, but thousands of km (or more) depending on the antenna, at night. Near the equator there is a lot more static on 80m than at mid latitudes. Signals during the day are absorbed by the D layer, so don't reflect (refract) well hence short distances, again more so in summer than winter. You may look at 80m as being a band that favors darkness over light. BUT for short distances and NVIS at mid to high latitudes it is good. At mid to high latitudes at night though you especially need to make sure you have a horizontal dipole at a low height compared to 80m wavelength, as a vertical is more likely to give you sky wave reflection of F layer, not blocked by D layer, resulting in large dead "skip zone" before landing back to earth far away, for long distance "DX" contacts.

This plot of how a dipole radiates (low angles to the left and right are for long distance, you want the high straight up lobes for close-in contacts) at various heights, this is for 40m. It would be more helpful if I found one that gives height in relation to wavelength, but to make this valid exactly the same for 80m, simply double the heights given, e.g. the 10m high plot on this 40m graph would be 20m high on 80m, etc. Don't worry about the exact frequency, it will be much the same for 3.5 or 3.7 MHz in this case!

Look at the red line: this is what a dipole up 15m on 80m band would look like, so NVIS even at that height, and few can get an 80m dipole up that high! Look at the green line, if you can get it up 60m in the air, you will have BOTH low angle AND high angle but less intermediate angle radiation: good for local NVIS and long distance. But who can get it up 60m? But on 10m band you can get that green pattern at just 7.5m above normal ground. 10m of course is not much use at this part of the sunspot cycle, we have to wait many years, if ever, to get those good conditions again.

To reiterate, it's about 10 to 100kms that I'm trying to achieve here. From the amateur radio theory I have the understanding that the D-layer hardly absorbs 80m when the wave is perpendicular on the D-layer, so that would have much less impact on short-range NVIS operations.

I have some papers that go into detail about dipole heights and different bands, I'll have to gather all materials I've read so far on NVIS (which is a lot!) and find it again, but I'll upload the lot of it if there is any demand for it.

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